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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

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    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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  • #2746
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    More old post regarding parents as employers and therapists:
    "As far as the other employee questions I did not address those specifically in my conversation with MCFD. However, I did look up the definition of "employee" and "contract worker". If the therapists can be defined as employees then you have to worry about maximum hours worked, vacation pay, workers comp, UIC etc. If they are working on a contract basis then you don't need to worry about any of this. Fortunately, from my reading, the therapists definitely can be grouped into the "contract worker" category in which case you basically cut them a cheque and let them worry about taxes, UIC, etc."

    #2745
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    I believe we have already discussed this topic. This is copied from a posting in June.
    I agree that this is confusing. However, one of the ways that a person can work on a contract basis is if they have a reasonable chance of using these skills to do the same job for someone else at the same time. This is clearly the case for our line therapists…. and many of them do just that. If you have your therapist working 8 hours per day then maybe you've got to consider them an employee. BTW, I believe that "contract worker" and "self employed" are the same thing.

    The way that we're going to approach it is simply the same as the way the MCFD approached it. Before all this new stuff we've had some of our line therapists paid out of our government funding. These people just went in and signed CONTRACTS with the MCFD for that portion of their payment. The MCFD had them as contract workers… not MCFD employees even though MCFD was paying them their wages. If MCFD didn't worry about it then neither are we.

    We're putting every cent towards the program.

    Dave.

    #2744
    Isaac
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    Hello Everyone,

    The BC Minister of Education, Honourable Christy Clark, was interviewed on CKNW radio earlier this week (The 'Bill Good' program, Monday, 09/30/02).

    I likely speak for many FEAT BC families in saying we very much appreciate that Minister Clark has been a longtime, eloquent supporter of our children's difficult struggle to secure publicly funded treatment for medically necessary autism treatment. An example can be found in her forceful autism debate versus former Minister Joy MacPhail, on CBC TV's 'Y-Vote' program prior to the last election, http://bcvotes.cbc.ca/ram/bcv_yvote.ram.

    In view of this, it's more than a little perplexing that the Minister seems to be confused about what the landmark Auton ruling on autism treatment actually says … and orders. Minister Clark's position — representing the Government view — is that the Auton ruling only applies to children "zero to six". That's clearly not what the court said; BC Supreme Court did not base its ruling on the age of an autistic child. In view of the former NDP government's failure to provide effective, publicly funded autism treatment, the BC Supreme Court ruled that the constitutional rights of children afflicted with autism had been violated by the BC Government … and children in the Auton case were over age five!

    (Auton ruling, July 2000, https://www.featbc.org/downloads/decision.htm).

    True, the Auton ruling on 'remedy' for the constitutional breach apparently accepts government's proposal to divide responsibility for implementing the Auton decision between MCF (for kids under six) and MOE (for kids six and over); that part of the Auton ruling is still under appeal by the families. However — and this is significant — the BC Supreme Court most certainly did not rule that government's responsibility for medically necessary autism treatment stops at age six! This is arguably a ruse successfully deployed by senior government bureaucrats in the Children's Ministry. News flash for civil servants in Victoria: the gambit will not hold. Children six and older also have a right to medically necessary autism treatment.

    To Minister Clark, whom we very much respect, the Auton case is not exclusively about children "zero to six." This is a gross misinterpretation of facts and frankly, British Columbians expect that a government Minister should be better informed by her senior MOE staff on such an important constitutional matter.

    Back to the Bill Good Program. This is what Minister Clark said about the Auton case, to an audience of over 350,000 British Columbians on Monday morning (09/30/02):

    "That case [Auton] was about children who are 'zero to six', so it's before they enter the public school system."

    (clip available until next Monday at
    –> http://209.115.161.208/cgi/vaultfile.cgi?1-11, scroll forward to the 38:44 time mark).

    One could interpret this remark to mean, "medically necessary autism treatment is not my problem … no such thing when kids get to school." Little wonder that a glaring autism treatment policy vacuum persists for children six and over, despite the Minister of Education's comforting assurance. Minister Clark states: "Linda Reid … she's been tasked with developing across the board autism policy because the Premier and I recognize that this isn't just an issue for kids who are zero to six" (at the 39:13 time mark of the Bill Good clip). This comment is both illogical and intrinsically contradictory insofar as Minister Reid only has formal responsibility for children "zero to six!"

    The Minister's remarks essentially say, "yes, we've huddled on autism at the highest levels and we recognize autism policy must be revamped for all children, not just zero to six … so that's why we've given the job to a Minister who's making policy just for children zero to six."

    Sterling logic that goes nowhere. This government position would be laughable if not for the dire consequences suffered by very ill children.

    A member of this discussion group — Deb Antifaev — sent an E-mail to Mr. Good shortly after Minister Clark's unfortunate stumble (thank you, Deborah!). To help set the record straight regarding government's flawed interpretation of the Auton ruling, Deborah's comments were aired in hour three of the Bill Good program at –> http://209.115.161.208/cgi/vaultfile.cgi?1-13; scroll to the 09:39 time mark.

    Isaac (Miki's Dad)

    #2743
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    Re: Linda Reid Address at Centre for Ability

    In her address Hon L. Reid said that families with children with autism were receiving between $1500 – $2500/month in Individualized Funding. She also said funding was based on "proximity" or "remoteness".

    Is there anyone out there on the top end of the fee structure who would care to share the details?

    thanks,

    t

    #2742
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    Anon so that I don't offend the govt. worker.

    I had a "consultant" from the govt who was overseeing our supported child care aide. She wanted to come to watch my child and I also invited her to workshops.

    I started to realize that she wasn't coming to learn about my child so much as she was coming to learn how to do this so that she could be an "ABA consultant".

    A person who is not properly trained in ABA as a consultant can do more damage than good. This, by the way, is why some feat members do not answer questions about how to deal with behavior issues…we feel this is unethical, since a proper consultant should be assessing the situation before giving advice. Each child/person is different and requires the expertise of a qualified consultant.

    Social workers are probably not a worry. But careful about having your "preschool consultant" come into the sessions.

    #2741
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    Anon so that I don't offend the govt. worker.

    I had a "consultant" from the govt who was overseeing our supported child care aide. She wanted to come to watch my child and I also invited her to workshops.

    I started to realize that she wasn't coming to learn about my child so much as she was coming to learn how to do this so that she could be an "ABA consultant".

    A person who is not properly trained in ABA as a consultant can do more damage than good. This, by the way, is why some feat members do not answer questions about how to deal with behavior issues…we feel this is unethical, since a proper consultant should be assessing the situation before giving advice. Each child/person is different and requires the expertise of a qualified consultant.

    Social workers are probably not a worry. But careful about having your "preschool consultant" come into the sessions.

    #2740

    Louise:

    I think if your social worker would come to your house and observe that would be great. If we can educate any person that is willing to be educated she might be more willing to help you. That way, in the future if she has more families after you, she will be more informed and able to deal with the situation more effectively.
    My social worker came to my house to see both my kids in their programs a few of years ago and she thought it was wonderful. She agreed that what we were doing was right and she was very receptive to funding for my kids for that reason.
    Good luck to you!
    Michelle

    #2739

    Hi all, i just thought i would throw in my two cents about the aba and the government. We got our diagnoses in july of this year, but have been reading alot about Autism and aba for the past year or so. I have to agree that for the most part from what I have found is that the social workers seem to be very nieve( not sure if thats spelled right), about aba treatment. I know that when we started this whole new way of life i agreed with my social worker and went along with what i was told but quickly came to realize that they (govt) dont really know anything about how or why this treatment works. Since i have seen two or three programs lately that are in progress and working for these children, we have decided to start our own aba program.I am not sure if this is a good idea or not but i have asked my social worker to come and see my sons first workshop so that she can become more informed. I thought that the best way for the government to see our point is to get them hands on with these kids.I believe that if she see what i have then she to will understand why this is the way we chose to go. thanks for listening and please no bashing its just my opinion.

    #2738
    Linda Cucek
    Member

    Linda Cucek and Port Moody Secondary are proud to
    present Kim Peek Friday September 27—Time: 7-9
    evening—Port Moody Secondary–Kim Peek is an autistic mathematical genius, whose life was loosely portrayed in the Movie Rain Man — There is a $10.00 admission charge, with all proceeds going towards the James Cucek Trust Fund…

    Look forward to seeing you there!

    My email for any questions: lindacucek@shaw.ca

    #2737
    Linda Cucek
    Member

    Linda Cucek and Port Moody Secondary are proud to
    present Kim Peek Friday September 27—Time: 7-9
    evening—Port Moody Secondary–Kim Peek is an autistic mathematical genius, whose life was loosely portrayed in the Movie Rain Man — There is a $10.00 admission charge, with all proceeds going towards the James Cucek Trust Fund…

    Look forward to seeing you there!

    My email for any questions: lindacucek@shaw.ca

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