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In this topic area, discussion is on all issues relating to setting up and running a home-based intervention program. Please feel free to bring up any problems or suggestions. Parents can help each other greatly by sharing information and giving suggestions.

In addition to parents helping parents, A.B.A. professionals on in the Discussion Group can also help provide insight and guidance.

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[Michelle Weis]

Hello again

I received a great deal of response to my question earlier this week through this board and privately. Re: using "no" vs not using "no".

I have received a good chunk of information to help me with a personal paper I have been writing. I delighted to hear responses from parents/therapists in programs cause that is where you get alot of valuable information from in addition to research.

Thanks for all your input and if anyone has anymore, please feel free to email me or the board.

Michelle
geminisky@adelphia.net

[Steve and Dara Michalski]

Hello,

The Lovaas Institute answers this questions very well on their website
(lovaas.com). Click on FAQ, then "Behavior Treatment Techniques", then
"errorless learning."

I hope this is helpful!

Sincerely,

Steve Michalski
Redwood Learning Center
Tel: (801) 523-0715, ext. 1
Fax: (801) 523-0239
email: redwoodlc@comcast.net

[David and Barbara McLeod]

Hi Michelle,

I haven't any scientific studies to share with you on this, but we have been a 'no no prompt' family from the beginning. While we do many fewer drills as such at this point in our program, the informational 'no' remains a very powerful tool in our repertoire. A 'no', delivered in a very matter of fact way, isn't negative at all to Alex and is definitely a sign to 'tune in'. It is my belief that it is easier to teach to new folks as well.

Just my two cents.

[David and Barbara McLeod]

Hi Michelle,

I haven't any scientific studies to share with you on this, but we have been a 'no no prompt' family from the beginning. While we do many fewer drills as such at this point in our program, the informational 'no' remains a very powerful tool in our repertoire. A 'no', delivered in a very matter of fact way, isn't negative at all to Alex and is definitely a sign to 'tune in'. It is my belief that it is easier to teach to new folks as well.

Just my two cents.

[Nancy Walton]

Hi Michelle, always nice to hear from you.

As a parent who has been through both systems, first the no, no, prompt and then the errorless learning, I have to say I found absolutely no affect on my sons learning. As a parent, I miss having the ability to say the informational "no" when my son is not listening to me, as this tended to get his attention, but I just respond differently now and my son's behavior is none the worse. I have therapists who felt that my son learned to pass through the two "no's" and he would then get the promt, allowing him to think less. So, they feel that errorless learning keeps him on his toes more.

The most important thing, in my view, is that there is consistency. That all thearpist and parents are doing they same thing.

Nancy

[Dave Collyer]

Hi Michelle,

I'm neither a consultant nor a therapist… However as a parent I have found this to be a good place to start (and I do mean "start" as I seem to be never done with this issue): http://www.lovaas.com/faq.php (half way down the page is a blurb abour EL and "no" ).

There are many many iterations and reiterations regarding the differences, advantages, and risks presented with the varous strategies in the journals and on various web pages…. some of which are very fair and balanced while others are sort of hysterical-emotional or wishful in nature.

Here is an OK online source of info: http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jaba/jabaindx.asp (once there search "errorless learning" or whatever combo of keywords crosses your mind… front page: http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jaba/index.html ).

Dave.

[Michelle Weis]

Hi there

This question is for therapists and consultants who have used both types of techniques…

I was wondering if anyone could give me an opinion or their experience with using the word "no" vs not using the word "no"?

Just curious as to how programs have adverted away and which technique seems to be more effective with which type of child?

If you do not use the word "no" to complete the loop, what is in its place?

If you feel more comfortable you can email me privately. geminisky@adelphia.net

Thanks Alot
Michelle

[Sebastian]

We are looking for treatment options for a 3-yr old. If anyone has any experience, good or bad, with either ABA Learning Center, Delta Associations for Child Development, or Family Centered practice group could you please e-mail us at seb3255@hotmail.com and give us information about your experiences.

Thank-you
-Sebastian

seb3255@hotmail.com

[Carmen Chan]

Hi everybody,we are going to start our workshops with Michelle Fagan in October 10; and I have the following question, I hope somebody can give me some feedback.

– how does she charge?
– usually how many hours and shift does she start on for the therapists?
– what more info do I need?

[Catherine Marks]

Hello everybody;
We are a family who are looking to hire 2-3 interventionists to work with our 2 years autistic child to cover about 30 hours per week. Both of us (parents) are family physicians and we Just moved to Abbotsford.

We work with a superior Senior consultant from the able clinic ( Katie Allen) as the head of our team. She is one of only 3 qualified BCBA consultants in BC. She just moved from New England In USA and has a great experience with autistic children. One of the people who are joining our team is Michelle who is an experienced therpist at the able clinic.The OT who is helping us running the program is Jessica who is a very experienced OT who works with the able clinic.

Our team will be a unique team as we have excellent and experienced consultants. Working with George will be not just fun, but it will provide great future opportunity for any interventionist who is looking forward to progress in the feild of autism.

George our son is a very nice boy. He is very queit boy by nature and is very laid back. He never gets tantrums and he needs an energetic and nice interventionist who will make him more active.

We prefer to hire someone who has some experience with autistic children, but our senior consultant Katie is willing to train anyone who is nice enough for the job.

The salary will depend on experience and personal interview.
Please send the resume to the above e-mail or you can cotact us by phone at 604-853-8576 and ask for Catherine.

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