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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

    TOP

    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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  • #2806
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    M.S.P – A suggestion for training

    Well if we train anybody let's train MSP to add selected Lovaas consultants to their billing. Let them set up a billing number to submit to MSP. Training costs money no matter how you look at it, I suggest training MSP. If we all have a limit that's okay.

    A momma

    #2805
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    I have a son who needs lovaas and I too want MSP for his treatment.

    Ditto

    #2804
    Susan Burns
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    hi all……i too wish to use my msp card for James' lovaas style aba treatment. i also do NOT want training. James' prescription, data and particulars to restart with Autism Partnership asap is sitting on Min. Reid's desk. Susan[ James' mom]

    #2803
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    P.S.

    I just posted to anon 1249pm

    just wanted to clarify if you meant "resources" as in training rather then specifically monies, sorry I may have misread. I agree that we have some great Lovaas consultants, we don't have nearly enough. Thank you.

    #2802
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    Re to the Anon at 1249pm

    I understand what your saying that the government says that the government money is tight. But my thoughts are this (***opinion only for what it's worth***)

    It would hold more weight if the children with diabetes, cancer, cerebal palsy, heart defects, rare diseases, and outward physical defects weren't covered by MSP. However, they are. Even children with ADD or ADHD have access to MSP services.

    Lovaas doesn't have to be expensive for the goverment. If they pay specific Lovaas providers and allowed us to have so much covered we can pay the balance or into a flex spending. Patients with terminal cancer are covered by MSP with great expense. I know it's not fair to compare our children to other kids, but the fact this is a medical condition that should be covered by the medical community.

    I know that the Government is tight with monies, and I am not trying to be a finger pointer. But my child deserves the medical treatment of my choice best recommended by my doctor. Autism can be helped by Lovaas and in the long run it's cheaper then instutionalizing them. Yes we can keep our children home all their lives if we wish, but it's nice to know with Lovaas we may not have too because they can be helped. My thoughts….. Sorry for rambling.

    #2801
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    Is the government making a point by sticking with the same professionals that sided with them during the lawsuit? I have heard good things about Dr. Kysela but I have also heard that he testified against the families in court.

    I am looking to discriminate between facts and idle gossip.

    #2800
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    To anon demanding MSP:

    I agree, but the government thinks differently. They say we don't have the resources in the province (which sort of is true, we don't). They say training must happen first.

    IF they have plans to do training and THEN impliment services, that may be okay. We will see, but WHO will be doing the training? Hopefully not someone from the governments old faithful line-up IBI "professionals".

    My thoughts and concerns.

    #2799
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    MSP NOW. Nothing else for Lovaas providers. I don't need training, my kid needs Lovaas therapy ASAP. Nothing less.

    My opinion.

    #2798
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    This is an outrage! I suggest parents call the Ministers and demand that parents decide who qualifies to do the training. The numbers again are:

    Minister Hogg: (250)387-9699
    Minister Reid: (250)356-7662

    #2797
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    If Anon Nov 4, 9:33 is correct, I am extremely disappointed in the government's latest tactic. If we are to recieve training instead of therapy, shouldn't FAMILIES decide who qualifies to do it?

    My concern is that those who sided with the government and testified against the families in court will be given the task of training the whole province. Families should be very concerned about these lastest developments.

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