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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

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    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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  • #2894
    Isaac
    Participant

    To correct the link problem in Susan's recent post, here's the information:

    address starts here –>http://www.canadianchristianity.com/
    cgi-bin/cgi?nationalupdates/030925autistic
    spbpt2002@yahoo.ca <– address ends here

    Copy and paste into your browser to view.

    #2893
    Susan Burns
    Member

    one more time…it printed fine in this window but is incomplete in my e-mail…..the October issue of BC Christian News is where the article is and it comes out this weekend.
    http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/cgi?nationalupdates/030925autistic

    Susan

    #2892
    Susan Burns
    Member

    hi all….James and I have hit the press again as my 2003 partial funding has yet to arrive….please find us at http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/cgi?nationalupdates/030925autistic
    spbpt2002@yahoo.ca

    Susan…[Teresa, Harry and James mom]

    #2891
    Deleted User
    Member

    Thanks Stephen – well said. Just a quick comment though on "Premier Campbell doesn't think the government is in contempt."

    The dictionary definition of 'contempt':
    1. Disparaging or haughty disdain, as for something base or unworthy; scorn.
    2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
    3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a court of law or legislative body.

    Well, let's see now.

    1. "haughty disdain" for the court's jurisdiction in protecting children's equal right to health care insurance… yup!
    2. is the court "despised " and "dishonored" by the senior MCFD special needs bureaucrats… yup!
    3. is the government "willfully disobedient of the authority of the court" by ignoring the many directives to provide full and universally accessible funding for medically necessary autism treatment… yup!

    Looks pretty clear from where I sit.

    #2890

    You know, it's a funny thing–I opened my dictionary and looked up "chutzpah" and there was a picture of Gordon Campbell. I'm so glad Premier Campbell doesn't think the government is in contempt. Call me silly, but when three or four courts order you to do something, and you refuse to do it, well, back where I was raised we call that contempt.

    #2889
    Isaac
    Participant

    The Premier of British Columbia — Honourable Gordon Campbell –- was interviewed today on CKNW’s Bill Good program regarding government’s persistent rejection of three court rulings and the ongoing lack of autism health care funding in B.C. Mr. Good asks the Premier this question: “three court decisions have told your government [autism is] a health care issue, that the families need specific early intervention fully funded by government. You continue to stall; why?”

    To hear the interview please visit the FEAT BC site and click on ‘Radio Interviews’ … it’s the CKNW story at the top of the list.

    Follow this link –> https://featbc.org/the_media/

    #2888
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    For those interested, I have made the following (unofficial) transcript of a portion of the previously mentioned recording of this morning's Bill Good show on CKNW, with Gordon Campbell on the air talking about a sweeping range of current issues. This was followed a short time later by a phone call (I believe it was from Jean Lewis), in which the premier confirmed that he did not believe his government was in contempt of court. (I haven't transcribed the phone call and response.)

    [GOOD] Autism: Three court decisions have told your government it's a health care issue that the families need specific early intervention fully funded by government. You continue to stall; why?

    [CAMPBELL] No, we've increased funding for autism and we will continue to try to provide for individual care for people with autism. We're trying to include parents in doing that; there are individual opportunities for parents to be part of looking at the care regime that their children have, and we're going to continue to do that.

    [GOOD] But the B.C. Supreme Court said you should fully fund the families until a higher court decides the case or the or the lower court case is overturned and the families insist that you haven't done that.

    [CAMPBELL] Well … no … my understanding —

    [GOOD] Jean Lewis was here yesterday and saying that you've broken your promise, a promise you made first of all when you were in opposition, not to appeal those decisions.

    [CAMPBELL] Well, I … didn't promise not to appeal, I said I couldn't understand why the government was appealing, but I understand why they would think that. There are some major issues that are involved with this with regards to the courts we are trying to respond to the needs of families, we've increased the funding for autism across the province, we've tried to individualize those supports and the Attorney General is carrying out unfortunately the task that he has to do to maintain the framework for health care decision making that we have in the province.

    [GOOD] But can't it be argued that you are in contempt of court by not paying for by not paying the families now, at least until the appeal is heard at the Supreme Court level in March?

    [CAMPBELL] Not as far as I know, no.

    #2887
    Anna Aquino
    Member

    You can go to the station's website and go to their "audio
    vault" and click on today's date plus the 9 am hour and you
    can forward 26 minutes to hear what Premier Gordon
    Campbell has to say on the autism lawsuits.

    http://
    http://www.cknw.com/station/audio.cfm

    It was a short segment and if you want to listen on, there is
    a Q&A section…I am not sure if anyone called in to ask
    regarding autism funding.

    #2886
    Deleted User
    Member

    I just posted regarding Bill good's interview with Gordon Campbell this morning, and would like to add that I'm referring to this morning's segment, Thursday the 25th, not the interview (awesome, by the way) with Jean Lewis yesterday.
    Thanks to anyone with any more info.

    #2885
    Deleted User
    Member

    Did anyone happen to hear Premier Campbell on CKNW this morning with Bill Good? I only caught the tail end, but I THINK Premier Campbell said that he was NOT aware of the court rulings regarding autism funding. Hard to believe! Did anyone else happen to hear this discussion?
    Thanks!

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