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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

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    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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  • #1530
    Monika Lange
    Member

    Geoff Plant is damn lucky I believe in the afterlife. And if there is one, he should be worried. I've been sitting here for a long time trying to put my thoughts down, but I'm so incredibly angry that I can't even express it in words.

    #1531
    Diane T
    Member

    We were asked by another family to post what follows:
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    On this black day for Canada (not just our children) I would like to thank the Auton families for what their efforts have done for me.

    My toddler was diagnosed just over two years ago. Thanks to the funding I received I have been able to afford to run a full Lovaas ABA program and my child is well on the way to a full recovery.

    I know that many of your children will suffer their whole lives for the lack of support, services and funding for autism treatment in Canada, but I thought, today, you might all like to hear that you have saved at least one child. Thank you Sabrina, Jean, Michelle and all Auton families from the bottom of my heart. We will fight on.

    I am asking someone else to post this for me to protect the anonymity of my child.

    #1532

    To all of you who feel sad on today's great but shameful day,
    when the battle has been lost but not the entire war:

    The war has just began against the cowards who leave their injured behind,
    the war for the sake of the most vulnerable – our children, our future.

    We may not let anyone encage our sick children with the life sentence of autism,
    when treatment is available to stop or to reverse this condition to the point of total cure.

    Today's day is calling us to endure, to persist and fight, keep going,
    and the more the pressure is, the more we will resist,
    and our strength is endless, the same as our love to all of our children.

    #1533

    Tony,

    It sounds like you're wrestling with the issues that we've been going through for the last three years.

    Drop us a line (dwd@sfu.ca) and let's get together sometime.

    Sincerely,
    David DiSanto (Isaac's dad)

    #1534

    Dear Tony Tamer

    Rejoice, for your reward in heaven will be great.

    #1535

    Hi eveyone, i am feeling all kinds of emotions today but one thing i wanted to say is I admire every one of you for your courage to fight. Not once today have i seen anyone giving up, people are upset and rightly so but even amongst the tears everyone is still fighting for our kids and there rights. I admire all of you for having the strenght not only to live life day to day but also to invest time and money to make the difference in our kids lives, thankyou for all you have fought for and will keep fighting for , like many have said today already we wont give up ever, and together we will win, Louise( liams mom)

    #1536
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    Hi everyone:

    I too am devastated. It's unimaginable. This was the worst possible scenerio the SCOC could have rendered. We should have won – our kids deserved to win – this has been a huge injustice with no where to turn to appeal. It is indeed a sad day for us, for our kids.

    And while we may all shed a tear (or in my case a bucket of tears) and we may all have been kicked and we will suffer – we will do that for today – we've been dealt a huge blow.

    But make no mistake – we are not so easily broken- we are not so easily stopped. This fight is far from over – our kids will get the funding/treatment they deserve and we will find a way to make that a reality.

    This is one tough group of parents -this FEAT group – not only tough but smart and dedicated and determined. This is not over, not by a long shot.

    Barbara
    Jeremy's Mom

    #1537
    Linda Cucek
    Member

    I was also horrified about the decision by the Supreme Court not wanting to support the Autistic Children, this is outrageous and criminal.

    But the effort should be applauded! We will survive and continue on.

    James Cucek's mom Linda

    #1538
    Theresa Jouan
    Participant

    I was horrified this morning to see this judgement against our amazing children.
    I applaud Jean Lewis'interview on CBC Newsworld.
    We will overcome!! We have to for our children.

    Shirley Hewko – Darren's mom

    #1539
    Debbie
    Member

    hello,,,,,,,, skip last message i just saw the news,,,,,,,thanx debbie, dj's mom

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