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    FEAT BC Admin
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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

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    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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  • #1470
    Jenn Ralph
    Member

    Thank you Avery and Dennis for calling in to Geoff Plant on CKNW – you were great. I would not have been able to compose myself and articulate as well as you two did tonight. For anyone that wants to hear it go to CKNW, then click audiovaults, then click on the date and time(8pm), then fast forward about 18 minutes. Too bad they let most of the show be taken up by the grow-op issue….but at least 2 very clear voices were heard over Plant's dodges.
    Jenn

    #1471
    Jenn Ralph
    Member

    Correction – Geoff Plant will be on CKNW radio right after the 8 o'clock news tonight…so probably around 8:05 or 8:10pm……FYI.

    #1472
    Jenn Ralph
    Member

    Geoff Plant is on CKNW radio sometime between now (7:30 and 8, and will be taking phone calls….

    #1473

    My whole family would like to thank you for all the time, effort, and all the work you have done to get us here.
    We started off with Gateway (no progress at all), then a Family Centred Services using EIBI (not much progress), and finally, somebody introduced us with this ABA program. I called Jean Lewis and Sabrina Freeman regarding the ABA, and I am very thankful to both of them, so much information….We have been in this program now for less than a year and I can say that I made a very good decision. The outcome is a tremendous success… My daughter now, at the age of six and a half, can say complete sentences, which a year ago, we can not understand her at all. To all of you, thank you.
    …………………………………………..My daughter goes to a public school here in South Burnaby area, and I was shocked and surprised that alot of parents came to me about the SCC's decision. They all said it was a terrible decision and was asking me what they can do to help… I told them that we are collecting signatures for "Petition to the House of Commons……", and they are all very supportive and are very willing to sign it. They asked me to bring thepetition tomorrow………………………………….. Also, can somebody let me know what happened to the meeting in West Van. re: "Holy Cow, They ruled Against Our Kids". My husband was sick and I was not able to go, but I am very curious what happened on the meeting?….Please email me at Jnarukami@shaw.ca

    #1474
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    I found this one on a sound off web site – I really liked it – thought maybe we could work it into some of our letters.

    RE: Families of Autistic Children. The SCC decision did have an impact across Canada. The SCC erred in fact and law.

    Accordingly to the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man, Canada being a signatory to this Declaration,

    CHAPTER 1, Rights – Article VII

    ALL Women, during pregnancy and the nursing period, and all children have the Right to Special Protection, Care and Aid.

    My question is: Where did the SCC receive their authorization to violate and/or circumvent this Declaration, we as Canadians hold as Law of Rights???

    #1475
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    okay – that's pretty bad forgot how to spell my name.

    Barbara (red faced:-0)

    #1476
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    Hi again:

    Can someone email me privately (as we know our list is monitored) what the just of what was said at last night's meeting 'Holy Cow they ruled against our kids'. Just basic facts is all – just curious.
    Barbara – email joe_rodrigues@telus.net

    Again please don't post it on this chat board.

    Thanks in advance.

    Brabara

    #1477
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    Thanks for the info again on the papers Justine – great articles.

    I responded to the Sun's editorial with my letter below for anyone interested.

    Dear Editor:

    Your editorial was exactly right – the province should fund treatment and the taxpayers should be aware that the cost analysis was won in our own B.C. Supreme Court that paying for this therapy now – is millions of dollars cheaper than having to 'warehouse' these individuals later in life.

    Don't let Attorney General Plant scare you into believing that if we pay for treatment for these kids – it will cost billions and bankrupt the provincial healthcare system – it's not true. Money is there and it's being mismanaged. So not only is money there and being abused but these kids once again are going to be abused and discarded by this government as they were by the previous NDP government – who could waste millions are such boondoggles as the FastFerries but couldn't fund treatment for our autistic kids.

    This issue was only taken to the courts as a last resort – families did everything they could to lobby the governments to provide physician prescribed treatment for our kids but we were ignored by the NDP and lied to by the Liberals – please look up 'Broken Promises' on the featbc.org website.

    The Supreme Court of BC and the BC Appeals Court deemed this treatment medically necessary and our kids right – the Supreme Court of Canada discarded both these rulings – they discarded our children and their rights under the constitution. Our children are not equal to you or I – the Supreme Court denied them their rights – so now my little boy's health and well-being along with the rest of our children in B.C. and possibly Canada is in jeopardy. In essence, the Supreme Court of Canada justices will allow my severely disabled child to be discarded like human waste because the Provincial Governments wanted to balance their budgets.

    Not only do the children and families with autism lose in this ruling – but the children and grandchildren of every taxpayer because it will cost millions more to care for untreated autistic adults in the future.

    Barbara Rodrigues
    Jeremy's Mom & Advocate
    A little boy who does not yet speak
    But whose voice must be heard.

    #1478

    Andrew tears came to my eyes too, thankyou for all you are doing, your an insperation . petitions are on the way, letters too to my mp and papers,i will be watching the news tonight, Louise

    #1479

    Andrew Kavchack on CTV NewsNet

    Just saw Andrew on CTV NewsNet. The piece on the petition features Andrew saying "….over 2500 signatures from families from coast to coast to coast…" and pointing to featc.org on his chest.

    Beautiful job!

    Justin

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