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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

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    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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  • #1820
    Andrew Kavchak
    Participant

    For Immediate Release

    February 22, 2007

    Autism Bill Defeated but the Campaign for Equal Treatment Will Continue, says MP Shawn Murphy

    OTTAWA – Charlottetown Member of Parliament Shawn Murphy today expressed his dismay at the defeat in House of Commons of his Private Member’s Bill, C-304, which would have required the government to produce a national strategy to improve autism across the country. The Bill was defeated by a vote of 155 to 113.

    “I am disappointed that all Members of Parliament did not support C-304,” said Mr. Murphy. “The inequalities in the availability of autism treatment affect families in every Canadian community and it is high time that this issue receive the attention that it deserves from the federal government.”

    Nevertheless, said Mr. Murphy, C-304 has played an important role in raising awareness about the urgent need for federal governmental action to address the availability of autism treatments. “Across the country, the coverage of autism treatments under Medicare differs greatly from province to province. Autistic children and their families in every province and territory deserve the same access to treatment through the health care system that is available to rich provinces like Alberta. We will continue to lobby the government to develop a national autism strategy to ensure that happens.

    Research released this month by the US Centre for Disease Control shows that as many as one in every 150 children is affected by Autism Spectrum Disorder. Despite this, many provinces provide little or no funding for expensive treatments like Applied Behavioual Analysis and Intensive Behavioual Intervention.

    -30-

    For further information:

    Dirk Druet

    Office of Shawn Murphy, M.P.

    Cell: (613) 222-2023

    #1821
    Andrew Kavchak
    Participant

    Hi Folks,

    Pierre Poilievre MP pulls a McGuinty!

    It looks like Nepean MP and Treasury Board Parliamentary Secretary is made from the same cloth as Dalton McGuinty.

    Ontario opposition leader Dalton McGuinty sent a letter during the last provincial election to Nancy Morrison during the last election stating that the age six cut-off to autism treatment was discriminatory and if he was elected he would remove the cut-off? After he became Premier he instead appealed a court decision that effectively ordered him to fulfill his promise!

    When Nepean MP Pierre Poilievre was in opposition he was approached by a number of families with autistic kids, he came to our rallies, spoke at an autism press conference, etc. However, on March 21, 2005 he also had a full page op-ed article of his published in THE HILL TIMES newspaper titled "Birth of a child shouldn't become healthcare roulette: exclusion of autism treatment from Canada's medicare". After accusing the then governing Liberals of "a new and shameful low in Liberal hypocrisy" for their intervention at the Supreme Court of Canada in the Auton case against autistic kids being able to access treatment through Medicare, he went on to say: "So what can be done? We must amend the Health Act so medicare will include effective, scientifically-validated autism treatment for children with autism".

    Poilievre had the opportunity to help create a National Autism Strategy and include autism treatment in Medicare by voting to refer Bill C-304 to the Committee stage for examination and review before a vote on Third Reading. Instead, he pulled a McGuinty and along with his Conservative caucus and the Bloc voted against it. Ironically, David McGuinty MP, (Dalton's brother), voted in favour. If these guys really want to understand voter cynicism they need look no further than the mirror.

    Cheers!
    Andrew Kavchak
    Ottawa

    #1822
    Diane T
    Member

    Of the MPs who voted on Bill C-304 yesterday, with one exception the votes followed party lines:
    • Conservative MPs voted against the Bill.
    • BQ MPs voted against the Bill.
    • The Independent MP voted against the Bill.
    • Liberal MPs voted for the Bill, with the exception of Tom Wappel, who voted against the bill.
    • NDP MPs voted for the bill.

    #1823
    Andrew Kavchak
    Participant

    Stockwell Day not only spoke at a number of our autism rallies on the Hill in the past and one of the autism press conferences in Parliament, he also sent me a letter when he was in opposition in which he added in his own handwriting that he was now making autism "a priority".

    The hypocrisy reminds me of an article I read about in the newspapers ten years ago. I cut the article out and put it on the wall of my office. It was about a study that was done in the U.K. of the psychological characteristics of politicians. The study concluded that what politicians have in common is an ability to lie to people and not feel any discomfort at the pain and suffering they cause to others. The headline was something like "Study finds politicians are psychopaths".

    While I am sure that Lord Acton's observation that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is helpful in understanding the steady erosion of integrity and gradual degeneration of politicians from the human species to something else, I also believe that with some politicians it is simply a case of "natural born psychopaths". Previous claims to being preachers of faith notwithstanding.

    #1824

    I wanted to add something else I thought interesting. Russ Hiebert (my only-Pro-some-lives) MP has written many letters to the Peace Arch news opinion page in which he almost dislocates his shoulder trying to pat himself on the back for his part in the "National Autism Strategy" All of his letters have been printed on the opinion page, even one letter criticizing a parent of two children with Autism!
    None of our letters, except one very altered letter from Roxanne, criticizing his Government have been printed. Isn't this supposed to be an OPINION page…why are they changing the letters??
    I wrote a letter to Mr.Hiebert last week and sent a copy asking the Peace Arch to print it. It was one paragraph…no profanity….mentioned bill C-304 and asked Mr Hiebert how he intended to vote. I sent it to other parents to vet. I was again not printed.
    There were letters from the same old tired guys who write every week (couldn't we just skip one of their rants and print something from a new writer….especially on a day when the house is voting….???Isn't this what is called "topical news"?)
    Whenever something happens in the Autism community I get a call from the Peace Arch asking for my comments…as do many other parents….I think our next response should be:
    "If you are not going to fairly represent us in your paper and on your opinion page, we will make our comments to your rival..The Now….."
    Just my two cents folks….I am feeling very ignored, frustrated and betrayed right now.
    Deb

    #1825
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    Oh boy!!! I am spitting mad!!! Stockwell Day voted against Bill C-304! That guy – years of rhetoric and the gall to put my son and another son in his pamphlet he sends out prior to election and then to stab these kids in the back again!!!

    I need to put what he has done in the papers – it will be printed – so please someone help me with some good points to say! I am so mad right now – a spineless jellyfish is all I can come up (and I know that won't work) I did send him an email though this morning – telling him I am mad and disappointed and will remember when the time comes for the next election. We are moving to another city but unfortunately for him – he's still my MP.

    Barbara Rodrigues

    #1826
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    Oh boy!!! I am spitting mad!!! Stockwell Day voted against Bill C-304! That guy – years of rhetoric and the gall to put my son and another son in his pamphlet he sends out prior to election and then to stab these kids in the back again!!!

    I need to put what he has done in the papers – it will be printed – so please someone help me with some good points to say! I am so mad right now – a spineless jellyfish is all I can come up (and I know that won't work) I did send him an email though this morning – telling him I am mad and disappointed and will remember when the time comes for the next election. We are moving to another city but unfortunately for him – he's still my MP.

    Barbara Rodrigues

    #1827
    Andrew Kavchak
    Participant

    Hi Folks,
    Here is the result of the vote in the House of Commons on whether to kill Bill C-304 or send it to the next stage in the approval process (i.e. whether to refer it to the Committee Stage for review). Bill C-304 was killed.

    ___________________

    House of Commons
    February 21, 12007
    Hansard

    Private Members' Business

    National Strategy for the Treatment of Autism Act

    The House resumed from February 14 consideration of the motion that Bill C-304, An Act to provide for the development of a national strategy for the treatment of autism and to amend the Canada Health Act, be read the second time and referred to a committee.

    The Speaker:

    The House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion at second reading stage of Bill C-304 under private members' business.

    (The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division: )

    (Division No. 122)

    YEAS

    Members

    Alghabra
    Angus
    Atamanenko
    Bagnell
    Bains
    Barnes
    Beaumier
    Bélanger
    Bell (Vancouver Island North)
    Bevilacqua
    Bevington
    Black
    Blaikie
    Bonin
    Boshcoff
    Brison
    Brown (Oakville)
    Cannis
    Chamberlain
    Chan
    Charlton
    Christopherson
    Coderre
    Comartin
    Cotler
    Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley)
    Cuzner
    D'Amours
    Davies
    Dhaliwal
    Dion
    Dryden
    Easter
    Eyking
    Folco
    Fry
    Godfrey
    Godin
    Goodale
    Graham
    Guarnieri
    Holland
    Ignatieff
    Julian
    Kadis
    Karetak-Lindell
    Karygiannis
    Keeper
    LeBlanc
    Lee
    MacAulay
    Malhi
    Maloney
    Marleau
    Marston
    Martin (Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca)
    Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
    Martin (Sault Ste. Marie)
    Masse
    Mathyssen
    Matthews
    McCallum
    McDonough
    McGuinty
    McGuire
    McKay (Scarborough—Guildwood)
    McTeague
    Merasty
    Minna
    Murphy (Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe)
    Murphy (Charlottetown)
    Nash
    Neville
    Owen
    Pacetti
    Patry
    Pearson
    Peterson
    Priddy
    Proulx
    Ratansi
    Redman
    Regan
    Robillard
    Rota
    Russell
    Savage
    Savoie
    Scarpaleggia
    Scott
    Sgro
    Siksay
    Silva
    Simard
    Simms
    St. Amand
    St. Denis
    Steckle
    Stoffer
    Stronach
    Szabo
    Telegdi
    Temelkovski
    Thibault (West Nova)
    Tonks
    Turner
    Valley
    Volpe
    Wasylycia-Leis
    Wilfert
    Wilson
    Wrzesnewskyj
    Zed

    Total: — 113

    NAYS

    Members

    Abbott
    Ablonczy
    Albrecht
    Allen
    Allison
    Ambrose
    Anders
    Anderson
    Arthur
    Bachand
    Baird
    Batters
    Bellavance
    Bernier
    Bezan
    Blackburn
    Blais
    Bonsant
    Bouchard
    Boucher
    Bourgeois
    Breitkreuz
    Brown (Leeds—Grenville)
    Brown (Barrie)
    Bruinooge
    Brunelle
    Calkins
    Cannan (Kelowna—Lake Country)
    Cannon (Pontiac)
    Cardin
    Carrie
    Carrier
    Casey
    Casson
    Chong
    Cummins
    Davidson
    Day
    DeBellefeuille
    Del Mastro
    Demers
    Deschamps
    Devolin
    Doyle
    Dykstra
    Emerson
    Epp
    Faille
    Fast
    Finley
    Fitzpatrick
    Flaherty
    Fletcher
    Freeman
    Galipeau
    Gallant
    Gaudet
    Gauthier
    Goldring
    Goodyear
    Gourde
    Gravel
    Grewal
    Guay
    Guergis
    Guimond
    Hanger
    Harris
    Harvey
    Hawn
    Hearn
    Hiebert
    Hill
    Hinton
    Jaffer
    Jean
    Kamp (Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission)
    Keddy (South Shore—St. Margaret's)
    Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
    Khan
    Komarnicki
    Kotto
    Kramp (Prince Edward—Hastings)
    Laframboise
    Lake
    Lauzon
    Lavallée
    Lemay
    Lemieux
    Lessard
    Lévesque
    Lukiwski
    Lunn
    Lunney
    Lussier
    MacKay (Central Nova)
    MacKenzie
    Manning
    Mayes
    Ménard (Hochelaga)
    Ménard (Marc-Aurèle-Fortin)
    Menzies
    Merrifield
    Miller
    Mills
    Moore (Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam)
    Moore (Fundy Royal)
    Nadeau
    Nicholson
    Norlock
    O'Connor
    Obhrai
    Oda
    Ouellet
    Pallister
    Paradis
    Perron
    Petit
    Picard
    Poilievre
    Prentice
    Preston
    Rajotte
    Reid
    Richardson
    Ritz
    Schellenberger
    Shipley
    Skelton
    Smith
    Solberg
    Sorenson
    St-Cyr
    St-Hilaire
    Stanton
    Storseth
    Strahl
    Sweet
    Thibault (Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques)
    Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
    Thompson (Wild Rose)
    Toews
    Trost
    Tweed
    Van Kesteren
    Van Loan
    Vellacott
    Vincent
    Wallace
    Wappel
    Warawa
    Warkentin
    Watson
    Williams
    Yelich

    Total: — 155

    PAIRED

    Members

    Barbot
    Benoit
    Bigras
    Clement
    Duceppe
    Laforest
    Lalonde
    Malo
    Mark
    Scheer
    Tilson
    Verner

    Total: — 12

    The Speaker:

    I declare the motion lost

    #1828
    Andrew Kavchak
    Participant

    And on the day of a historic vote in the House of Commons a parent of an autistic child who sits in the House of Commons rises to speak…and says what?! Something gone "too far"? Why would a legal requirement for the Minister to develop an autism plan with his provincial counterparts and table it in the House of Commons be "false hopes"?
    ________________________

    House of Commons
    Hansard
    February 21, 2007

    Statement By Members

    Autism

    Mr. Mike Lake (Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, CPC):

    Mr. Speaker, today I need to address an issue of political gamesmanship taken too far.

    My 11-year-old son, Jaden, has autism. Bill C-304 purports to help families struggling financially when a child is diagnosed with autism. However, this bill is simply a political manipulation.

    The Liberal member knows full well that this is a bill he could never have supported when he was in government. If this bill were to pass, autism would be the one and only disease or disorder named in the Canada Health Act. Cancer is not named. Neither is diabetes nor cardiovascular disease.

    The member knows that only the provinces can act on the provision of ABA treatment if we are to maintain the integrity of the Canada Health Act. Why in most cases are the provinces not taking urgent action? That is a question to which voters should demand an answer from their provincial governments.

    What the member does not get is that this is not an appropriate wedge issue to exploit for political gain. These are real people with real challenges who are desperate for real solutions. Bill C-304 does nothing but give false hope to families who deserve more than to be treated as pawns in a political game.

    * * *

    #1829
    Dave Collyer
    Member

    Hello Kandi,

    I note that Warawa and Hiebert voted against it… but I was suprised to see my MP (Martin) voted for it. How odd!

    Go here: http://autisminnb.blogspot.com/2007/02/bill-c-304-defeated-conservatives-bloc.html

    Dave.

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