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[Claire Spencer]

Thanks Allan (Elizabeth's Dad) – you put that very well. The studies that "prove" vaccines to be safe (think back to the study in Sweden – or was it Norway – a few years back) have HUGE problems making them inapplicable for a variety of reasons, yet people take them as gospel truth. I have home videos of my child dated 3 months apart, but he's barely distinguishable as the same child. I asked my doctor for his health records between those two dates. He was on antibiotics for an ear infection (yet another) during the first video, and had his MMR shot a few weeks before the second video. Coincidence? I can never go back and undo the vaccinations to be sure, but I certainly wish I had never held him down so they could administer them. The fact that they have found the measles virus (from the vaccine strain, not the wild strain)in children with autism's intestines and brains makes me very unsure about the vaccine's safety. Perhaps it is the measles virus that is the problem (the children from Japan received it as well – even though it was not administered with the mumps and rubella).

Alan, I thought you might also be interested in a magnetic clay that is being used. We are going to try it instead of chelation. The website is evenbetternow.com.

Claire

[Alan Campbell]

On a lighter note from my last post/rant, I will be attending the Workshop on March 12th. If anyone that is attending from the Langley/Cloverdale/ (you get the idea) area the "Campbell Family Truckster" has 5 seats available for carpooling on a first call first serve basis.

alanandcindy@shaw.ca

604-514-4744

Alan

[Alan Campbell]

Couldn't sleep and have to get this off my chest.

While I am not suggesting for a moment that children not be vaccinated, I do have a true bone to pick with the Japanese study that seems to solidify and put to bed the whole vaccination argument.
It is widely agreed that mercury is the second most toxic substance on the planet (uranium being #1) yet we put it in our mouths (in the form of mercury amalgams) and in our children's vaccinations. The people in coastal Japan (coincidentally where Yokahama is located) have the second highest body burden of mercury (from large fish consumption) in the world. First place in this race goes to North American Dentists and Dental Assistants who are protected by nothing more than a paper mask ask they breathe in mercury amalgam fumes. The Yokahama study does not bring into account the body burden of mercury from other sources, which will only rise as the food source becomes more polluted. Had they elimnated Thimerasol in say….Saskatchewan then you might have a study. Then again that dirty ol' mercury is everywhere. Its even in Dove Soap…..I'm not kidding.
There are a growing legion of phenomenal doctors (sadly mostly in the states) who are risking their very licenses to treat the mercury issue with a chelation protocol. Dr Buttar has had amazing success to the point where many of the kids he has treated ( including his own son) have had the veil and stigma of autism lifted. Is that not the ultimate goal??!!
It was sad to read things like "anecdotal evidence" and "no credible evidence". Tell the kids that doctors like Buttar have chelated that they are simply "anecdotal" or "Not credible" because they now have the capacity to understand it.
We are agressively treating our daughters autism according to the DAN protocol as well as with ABA therapy. Every vitamin, mineral, pro-biotic…….(and the list goes on) that we add to her daily regime brings her further out of her "fog". It is truly amazing to see her ability to focus (eye contact), speak, play and just get to be a kid.
For all the detractors…….keep in mind it wasn't that long ago that ABA was considered new and not the mainstream way to treat these kids . Wait a second our own government thinks that today.
The next step for us is TD-DMPS. If for nothing else than to remove the heavy metals from her system. We couldn't be more excited.
I hope that by reading the Japanese study that parents don't think that the mercury issue is by any means resolved. Mercury is a problem…….my daughters urinalysis charts prove that it is in her. I want it out.

Elizabeth's Proud Dad

Alan

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Monica,

Note also that the RhoGAM shot contains thimerosal, which children receive in-utero.

Further, studies that have been done with the MMR vaccine do not incude the cumulative effect of MMR, RhoGam, Flu, and Heb B.

As said before, in my opinion genetics and immaturity of the immune system can also factor in.

Regards.

[Erik Minty]

'Scientifical'? *Oops* … perhaps I should start using a spell checker after all.

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[Erik Minty]

Just as parents have rightly insisted on accepting only scientifically valid autism treatment, so I believe we as parents should consider scientifical evidence about MMR vaccines, over hype and anecdotal evidence.

My understanding is that MMR vaccines have been studied many times for possible links to autism and I have heard of no credible evidence to support this. The latest study from Japan appears to reinforce the same conclusion.

As a scientist I have a hard time understanding why a parent, no doubt with their child's best interests in mind, might choose to not vaccinate their child when vaccinations have been repeatedly shown to be both safe and effective.

Particularly in light of yet another study that appears to debunk the link to autism, I tend to think it's caused by misinformation.

Or am I missing something?

[Sara White]

Very interesting article came out in New Scientist today related to the MMR debate. Thought you all would be interested.

Sara

Autism Rises Despite MMR Ban In Japan
[By Andy Coghlan.]
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18524895.300
Parents need have no more fears about the triple vaccine against
measles, mumps and rubella. A study of more than 30,000 children in Japan
should put the final nail in the coffin of the claim that the MMR vaccine is
responsible for the apparent rise in autism in recent years. The study shows that in the city of Yokohama the number of children
with autism continued to rise after the MMR vaccine was replaced with single
vaccines. "The findings… are resoundingly negative," says Hideo Honda of
the Yokohama Rehabilitation Center. In the UK, parents panicked and vaccination rates plummeted after
gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield claimed in a 1998 study that MMR might
trigger autism, although the study was based on just 12 children and later
retracted by most of its co-authors. Soon the vaccine was being blamed for
the apparent rise in autism, with Wakefield citing data from California (see
Graph). In some parts of the UK, the proportion of children receiving both
doses of the MMR vaccine has dropped to 60 per cent. This has led to a rise
in measles outbreaks and fears of an epidemic. Not one epidemiological study has revealed a link between the vaccine
and autism. But until now they have all concentrated on what happened after
MMR vaccination for children was introduced. Honda's is the first to look at
the autism rate after the MMR vaccine has been withdrawn. Japan withdrew it
in April 1993 following reports that the anti-mumps component was causing
meningitis (it plans to introduce another version). With his colleagues Yasuo Shimizu and Michael Rutter of the Institute
of Psychiatry in London, Honda looked at the records of 31,426 children born
in one district of Yokohama between 1988 and 1996. The team counted children
diagnosed as autistic by the age of 7. They found the cases continued to
multiply after the vaccine withdrawal, ranging from 48 to 86 cases per
10,000 children before withdrawal to 97 to 161 per 10,000 afterwards. The
same pattern was seen with a particular form of autism in which children
appear to develop normally and then suddenly regress – the form linked to
MMR by Wakefield. The study cannot rule out the possibility that MMR triggers autism in
a tiny number of children, as some claim, but it does show there is no
large-scale effect. The vaccine "cannot have caused autism in the many
children with autism spectrum disorders in Japan who were born and grew up
in the era when MMR was not available", Honda concludes. His team's findings
appear in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (DOI:
10.1111.j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x). So if the vaccine is not responsible for the rising rates of autism,
what is? "Clearly some environmental factors are causing the increases,"
says Irva Hertz-Picciotto of the University of California at Davis. Other
experts disagree, saying the apparent rise could be the result of changing
diagnostic criteria and the rising profile of the disorder (New Scientist,
17 February 2001, p 17). From issue 2489 of New Scientist magazine, 05 March 2005, page 16

[Monika Lange]

Regarding my earlier post, I'd be very interested in finding out if anyone else out there has had the rubella vaccination as an adult and subsequently had an autistic child. If so, I'd very much appreciate hearing from you. Would you please email me at mlangedok@hotmail.com? Thank you.

[Monika Lange]

Good to see the vaccination issue raised. The Department of Immunology at UCLA has also done research on the vaccination of mothers and the correlation to their child's autism. I received the Rubella vaccination as an adult and was told to wait 3 months before getting pregnant. I was pregnant with my autistic son 6 months later, and have a hunch 6 months still wasn't a long enough of a waiting period. Sometimes a standard pregnancy blood panel will reveal that the mother's childhood rubella vaccination didn't "take" and the family doctor will recommend she gets another one before her next pregnancy to "protect" the fetus. This may be risky. It's certainly left me wondering whether the family doctor knew best. (He certainly didn't later on when he told me repeatedly not to worry about my son's delays.) Just want to make others aware of my suspicions, for whatever they're worth.

[Anna Dougans]

RE: Immunizations

Marie and Dwight:

When I inquired about separate immunizations from my Doctor, he didn't hesitate in the slightest. He said that all he needed was for me to let me know when I wanted them done and he would order them in for me.
For more info you can email me at iriemom@yahoo.com

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