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September 2, 2005 at 4:22 am #4102Mike & Rachel GoetzParticipant
Regarding hiring foreign students as therapists…
I'm not expert on matters related to obtaining work visas, but I suspect your student may have a problem if she wants to work as an independent contractor doing ABA. My understanding is that normal sponsorships for work permit visas are done in an employer-employee relationship.
I would suggest you find out what the requirements are for work permit applications; you might be able to maintain a contract relationship if you are able to produce a work contract which meets their needs.
Mike
September 1, 2005 at 5:15 am #4103Laurie GuerraParticipantMy son was diagnosed at almost 6 years old. He is now 10 and has recoverred from autism.
Don't wait another day! Get on the best science based treatment program you can-Lovaas ABA.
I can't guarantee you the same results but you will get results; possibly the same as me. You won't know until you try.
I haven't posted on this forum for quite a long time now but it isn't because I don't care it is because now, thanks to so many of you I actually have a somewhat normal life. Autism isn't at the center of our world anymore and it is wonderful. I am just one story of so many. With treatment there is hope…………
Laurie Romey
August 29, 2005 at 8:28 pm #4104Danielle CrossMemberHi,
I am a foster mom, in the process of adopting, an 8 year old boy with autism. Our son's been with us for two years now, and has made tremendous progress, despite a disheartening lack of support for our family from the Ministry and the schools.
"D" was diagnosed just before his sixth birthday, and received less than six months of limited intervention. He has never had a psychoed assessment done, and has never received ABA. All the progress he's made has been a result of his "Dad" and I fighting tooth and nail to access any support or services.
It's all a bit overwhelming – dealing with the foster parent stuff, the adoption stuff, the school stuff, all his trust issues and learned behavior from past placements, and the autism stuff on top of it.
While our family has the advantage of knowing how to work with social workers, and advocate for him(both have backgrounds supporting individuals with special needs), as well as being skilled in managing his behavior (hubby worked with autistic children for 7 years), we are not connected to any local support group, and don't have the benefit of being in contact with folks who've "been there, done that".
I don't even know where to start in looking to get D ABA services, or if he's "too old" to qualify, or how to get it covered, if possible.
The only thing we're accessing right now is EAI funding, which covers 1 hr PT/OT per month, and 6 hours a week with a one-to-one worker that takes him out in the community (basically an expensive babysitter). He'll be starting S&L next month.
I'd LOVE to hear from other parents on how I can take things to the next level and access more services for my son, as well as maybe getting in touch with a local support group who can share stories and coping strategies.
It's been a LONG summer
August 29, 2005 at 4:39 pm #4105Sabrina FreemanParticipantHi All,
Based on my data base search of MEDLINE, PSYCHINFO, CINAHL, COCHRANE Collection, and ERIC, I could not find even one peer-reviewed article on the efficacy of Chelation for autism (and I searched from the 1960's up to 2005). There is no shortage of testimonials from parents who are very invested in this treatment; however, anecdotal reporting (which include parent testimonials) is highly unreliable. Unfortunately, these testimonials play on the vulnerability of parents who are desperate for a quick fix (arenât we all).
In short, there is absolutely NO reliable data â from peer-reviewed journal articles â showing any efficacy for Chelation Therapy.
By the way, this has not been the first death associated with Chelation. A woman in California died a few years ago. Also, you should all know that right now, proponents of Chelation are recommending it for whatever disease you have (including heart disease and hardening of the arteries). The following organizations recommend against chelation:
American Academy of Pediatrics
National Council Against Health Fraud
Quackwatch
American College of Preventative Medicine Practice Policy Statement recommends which children are and are not candidates for chelation.Until more research is conducted, Intensive Behavioural Treatment is still Best Practices.
Sabrina
August 29, 2005 at 12:18 am #4106J.GrahamParticipantPosted with permission.
Just a touch of grey…
The tragic incident of the child from Pittsburgh who died during a
chelation treatment has had an effect that has reverberated
throughout the autism community. It has created an even greater rift
than existed before between those who believe in biomedical
treatments, and those who don't. Those somewhere in the middle, such
as myself, are more torn than ever about the issue of biomedical
treatments for autism.Somewhere on the side of the biomeds are vociferous parents and
advocates who adamantly believe that their children are mercury
damaged and that chelation is a treatment that can sometimes have
profound and lasting effects on their children. Some even say that
they have "recovered" their children from using these treatments.
Somewhere on the other side are the more conservative parents and
advocates who believe that these treatments don't work, they are not
proven, and are sometimes even dangerous.Personally, I am somewhere in the middle. Would I use IV chelation
with my own two children with autism spectrum disorder? No. Call me
"chicken" and I'll plead guilty. Some have said I'm "dancing on the
blade of a sword." Guilty again. Do I think it works? Well, the
theory really makes sense. I have been asked by members of the media,
and have answered that I feel it is too dangerous for my personal
taste. Does that mean that it should be stopped and that parents
should have no right to seek chelation therapy, if they so choose?
No. AutismLink advocates for parents to have the ability to make
their own informed choices.Chelation has been used since the 1940's as a treatment for lead
poisoning. Does it work on mercury poisoning? Who knows? Do children
with autism even have mercury poisoning? Some experts say no, some
experts say yes. Some parents say no, some parents say yes. But
parents should have THE CHOICE TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES. Nobody
thought that the parents in the story of Lorenzo's oil were in their
right minds, either, until they made a significant discovery.As I stated in a recent article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the
medical community needs to step up to the plate and help parents who
choose alternative therapies in lieu of turning their backs on them,
calling them "crazy". Not all alternative medicine is quackery, nor
is it good. Not many things in this world are as simple as black and
white. There are millions of shades of grey in between.As for the use of the word "desperate," I stand by that
characterization. We are all desperate. We're desperate to find
something to help our children, otherwise we wouldn't even be
considering procedures like IV chelation. I know I am. If I saw solid
scientific evidence that chelation would help my children come out of
the fog of autism, would I do it? You bet. If I saw evidence that
bowing three times to the sun at noon would help my kids, I'd do that
too.So who is right? We really don't know, because we need more
research. But I do know one thing — this issue is dividing an
already divided community of parents and advocates who have more in
common than not. This issue needs to be discussed, but what we don't
need is people who start publishing things accusing others of
"exploiting" the situation. Just because someone is asked for their
opinion on a situation doesn't mean that they are "exploiting" the
situation. If anyone is exploiting the story, it's the press. The
telvision media, newspapers, magazines, and the like.Maybe something good will come of this tragedy — maybe we'll find
some truth in the matter of mercury poisoning. Maybe someone will
finally say.. "Hey, this needs to be researched."Immediately following the news story of young Tariq, folks from both
sides were pointing fingers at one another. "This was bound to
happen," say some. Those on the biomedical side of the issue
immediately raised their backs, expecting the "we-told-you-so"
attack. And, rightly so, because they're getting it now. Ironically,
those attacks are coming, once again, from the medical community that
turned their backs on this in the first place.In conclusion, I'm just asking that the autism community keep their
emotions in check during this difficult time. We will get through
this — together. We need to discuss it, express our opinions, cry
about it, but we need to remember that the issue is not black or
white. A friend of mine said something so true, "if one person were
right about every autism treatment, we'd have the cure." At least I
know that one person sees a touch of grey, and I'm hoping that you
will too.Warm regards,
Cindy Waeltermann
AutismLink DirectorAugust 28, 2005 at 7:31 pm #4107Irene FyvieMemberHi Everyone,
I'm new to this board. My name is Irene and my 2 and a half year old son went to a speech therapist last week and she informed us about autism. It was a big suprise but I've had a little over a week to deal with it and I have found tons of information on autism.
I want to start an ABA program at home but I don't have enough money to hire someone to help. My big plan right now is to start a program with a little help from my family (mostly watching my 11 month old) and pray to god I can get some help soon.
I live in Prince George, B.C. and if anyone knows anyone that can help I would appriciate it.
Thanks; Take care, IreneAugust 28, 2005 at 7:23 am #4108Super DadParticipantI have a question about hiring foreigners as therapists. I have met a new graduate who seems to have real potential, and she wants to commit for one year, but she will be relying on me to help her stay here for that one year. Is her application for a work permit likely to succeed?
Tony
jledata@yahoo.comAugust 26, 2005 at 10:59 pm #4109David BridgesMemberHow terribly sad and tragic!
Don't expect so-called advocates of 'choice' to take this as evidence against snake oil therapies like chelation, however.
We all just have to accept that stupidity and B. S. are not against the law.
Dave
August 26, 2005 at 4:40 pm #4110Barbara RodriguesParticipant*This story is from AP today …
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*PORTERSVILLE, Pa. Aug 25, 2005 *- An autistic boy died after receiving an unproven treatment that some people believe may cure the neurological and developmental disorder, officials said.
Abubakar Tariq Nadama, 5, had received his third treatment of chelation therapy at a doctor's office Tuesday before going into cardiac arrest,
said Deputy Coroner Larry Barr.The staff at Dr. Roy E. Kerry's office performed CPR on the boy, but he was later pronounced dead in a hospital, Barr said. More tests would be needed to determine the cause of death, he said.
State police also were investigating.
A message left for the doctor at the Advanced Integrative Medicine Center in Portersville was not immediately returned Thursday morning.
Some people believe that autism can be linked to a mercury-containing preservative once commonly used in childhood vaccines, and these people sometimes advocate chelation therapy, which causes heavy metals to leave the body through urine.
The Food and Drug Administration has approved chelation only for acute heavy-metal poisoning that is confirmed by blood tests. Critics call the treatment risky and say there isn't enough evidence to link autism to mercury or lead toxicity.
The boy's mother, Marwa Nadama, said she didn't blame the therapy, but was waiting for test results.
Howard Carpenter, the executive director of the Advisory Board on Autism-Related Disorders, said it was just a matter of time before there
would be a death linked to the therapy."Parents of children with autism are desperate. Some are willing to try anything," Carpenter said.
August 24, 2005 at 2:19 am #4111Deleted UserMemberMy son began using Risperidone when he was 6 and it made the difference in him being able to stay in school. He is 14 now, still taking risperidone, and is in a regular grade 9 class –with the help of a teaching assistant. Hope this helps.
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