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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

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    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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    Well, people, it would appear that it is business as usual in government in the wake of the Supreme Court decision. Now that they no longer have to worry about looking bad in front of judges, the MCFD is swiftly returning to their old practise of rewarding friends and cronies and to hell with conflict of interest or any semblance of credentials.

    I have just learned from a friend who works in government (yes, we do have a few of those) that MCFD has decided to remove its contract to maintain the Service Providers List from the Autism Society of B.C. and hand it over to that bunch known as ACT-BC. It is perhaps interesting that this development occurs shortly after A.S.B.C. sent out a questionnaire to the service providers asking them to supply things like their credentials and backgrounds.

    I would not even mention the name of this group, but I do so that you can go take a look at their website for yourselves, and see just exactly who makes up their Board, Staff and Advisory group.

    http://www.actbc.ca/

    I am aghast to see the names of many I would not consider 'friends of those with autism'. However I am hardly surprised. It appears to me that MCFD is implementing payback time. If you stood with us during that brief time when the Auton decisions forced the government to treat our children with at least a small amount of respect, you will be punished. If you gave aid and support to the Ministry's war against our children, you will be rewarded, now that the Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom has declared open season on our children.

    There have been times in the past when the A.S. of B.C. were in bed with government. In the past few years, thanks to some newer board members, they woke up and started saying "no" to government "requests." Since the Autism Society will no longer be a lap dog for government, they've had to look elsewhere. Oh, I'm quite sure they will have all their tracks covered and be quite able to explain how it's totally reasonable to hand out contracts the way they're doing…just as they defended the logic of handing a U.B.C. staff member a contract to evaluate a program she designed.

    If there is any good news in this information that I can see, it is that A.S.B.C. can now finally and legitimately claim they are not in any way beholden to government, and they can continue to stand up for the right things for those with autism without worrying about government retaliation. As far as I can tell, this is the last retaliation the government can make against them-I might even join A.S.B.C. now.

    I know we are all busy signing petitions, writing letters to M.P.'s, M.L.A.'s and others, but I think this is another 'smoking gun' that needs to be highlighted in letters, e-mails, faxes and calls to all our elected provincial government representatives. Let them have it, folks.

    S.P.

    #1351
    Super Dad
    Participant

    The autism online petition just exceeded 3500 signatures!

    Winky and Wanda have 16790. How are the elephant supporters getting so many signatures? Let's work a little harder and smarter.

    Tony

    #1352
    Diane T
    Member

    Just a reminder that Geoff Plant will be Vaughn Palmer’s guest at 8:00 p.m. tonight on Voice of B.C. Voice of B.C. is a weekly public affairs program produced in Victoria by Shaw TV, and is shown live on the Island and in the Lower Mainland. Repeats are shown on the Island, in the Lower Mainland, and in the Interior.

    see:
    http://vancouver.shawtv.com/voiceofbc_mainpage.htm

    #1353
    Diane T
    Member

    Islanders: Just a reminder of tomorrow night’s presentation:

    Mid-Island ASBC Community Group
    6:30-8:15pm
    Thursday, December 2
    Room 215 (second floor)
    Building 356 (Social Sciences and Education)
    Malaspina University-College
    Nanaimo

    *** Parents ONLY Session ***

    "Holy Cow, they Ruled Against Our Kids!"

    Birgitta von Krosigk of North Shore Law will be talking about the Supreme Court of Canada's ruling in "The Attorney General of British Columbia et al v. Connor Auton et al" and what that means to past, present and future autism medical treatment funding at home in BC, and across the land.

    A limited number of copies of the judgement will be available; we encourage you to bring your own copy of the ruling to follow along.

    Judgements are available at:
    http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/cgi-bin/disp.pl/en/rec/html/2004scc078.wpd.html?query=%22auton%22&langue=en&selection=&database=en/jug&method=all&retour=/csc-scc/cgi-bin/srch.pl?language=en~~method=all~~database=en%2Fjug~~query=auton

    Refreshments will be available.

    Please note that the room number has changed. We will meet in Room 215, which is next door to room 209.

    Hope you can join us.

    #1354
    Monika Lange
    Member

    Jean Lewis just did a radio interview on CFTK, a northern station. She did an excellent job of getting our points across! Thank you very much Jean.

    #1355
    Barbara Rodrigues
    Participant

    re: Geoff Plant – you are right Dave – he gives the same practiced speech and you notice no one from the MCFD is responding – keeping quiet that way when they start slashing – they can say 'I never said…' such as Mr. Plant is doing.

    I can't get the show but my ideas are – since Mr. Plant knows so much about numbers How many millions were spent fighting disabled children and their families for 7 years?

    Is that 30 million dollars all going to individualized funding? Nope – it's going to contracted support and various other unproven babysitting services. Don't forget it costs the government run IBI program 60,000 a year – that's what they are paying and for that the kids get an average 17.5 hours with 60% of the cost of the 60,000.00 per year going to administration costs.

    As for 'institutions' a 'group home' is a mini institution – warehousing means there's someone with no ability to enjoy life – a life wasted – a life lost – that does and is still going on and it's the future for many of our children now that the government has the ability to deny them treatment. The warehousing issue really needs to be stressed cause Mr. Plant is making it sound like they will be given a million dollars and a house in Hawaii to go and enjoy their retirement in a peaceful lovely setting as if they won't be in diapers, with severe behaviors and aggression and medicated up to try and control them while they then can sit in the corner and stim or self injury themselves(well my kid would have been without treatment).

    Someone needs to mention the increase in autism births and let joe public know the catastrophic costs these kids are going to cost the system when they are adults – huge billions of dollars per year.

    Just some more ideas.

    Barbara

    #1356

    Mr. Plant actually responded to my open letter rant in my local rag last week.

    My Letter:
    http://www.mrtimes.com/issues04/114104/opinion/114104le1.html

    His response is unfortunately not available onlione and it is the usual drivel mentioned by Dave. And here is my response back to him. Some useful compairsons perhaps others can use.

    Autism funding – the truth is in the numbers

    Mr. Plant states that the province "in the years this has been before the courts……the Provinces budget for Autism Spectrum Disorder has increased nearly 15 times……to 30.1 million dollars". Mr. Plant fails to mention that a truely effective treatment program can cost as much as $60,000/year. For the 2600 kids in the province facing a lifetime of devastating disability, the maximum annual budget comes to $156 million dollars. Makes the $30 million they spending seem a little paltry doesn't it? And let's not mention that only a portion of that money is spent on actual treatment.

    And yes, $156 million dollars is a lot of money. In fact it is a whopping 1.4% of the 10.8 billion dollars the government plans to spend on Health Services in 2005/06. That's right folks, at the very most it would be a 1.4% increase in the health care budget that could save the future lives of 2600 children in this province. The Attorney Generals office has a budget of $489 million; how much of that was spent on saving the government from the loathsome task providing real health care for autism? I sure am glad the Attorney Generals Office defended the governments rights to spend $259 million on the 2010 Olympics and $127 million on the Sea to Sky Highway. I guess the Supreme Court agrees that these spending priorities are more important than saving the lives of children.

    Mr. Plant also states that Lovaas treatment (other wise know as Applied Behavioural Analysis or ABA) is "relatively new, unproven, and very expensive therapy". I suppose someone ought to tell the 46 universities in the United States that offer ABA curriculum that what they are studying is "unproven". And don't forget to put a call in to the Association for Behavioural Analysis. They are about celebrate 28 years of association in research and clinical practice. I guess that's "relatively new" when compared to the last ice age. As for "very expensive", just wait until you are paying for the social care required for untreated autistic adults. Then you will know what "very expensive" is.

    #1357

    Geoff Plant will be on at 8pm Wednesday December 1st on Shaw Cable's Voice of BC
    Toll Free 1.888.891.9097

    http://vancouver.shawtv.com/voiceofbc_mainpage.htm

    #1358

    Hi all,
    There was an announcement by Mr. Vaughn Palmer at Shaw channel 4 that he will interview Mr. Plant tomorrow, Dec. 1st.
    Sorry folks, I haven't caught what time it will be.

    #1359
    Susan Burns
    Member

    hi folks…sorry if this posts twice but here goes…my daughter and I will pay Ken Stewart a visit and we would love company…..Susan
    604 467 8313 604 807 8799

    spbpt2002@yahoo.ca

    Susan,
    With regards to the recent decision by the Supreme Court of Canada against parents of autistic children, saying that the provinces do not have to provide funding for therapy for these children. The unfortunate question put before the courts is whether the courts have the right to tell government where to spend money against the democratic and legislated right of a democratically elected government. The more important issue of what is the needed amount of support for families of autistic children was not the legal question. For me the issue is to lobby my government for improvements in the support for children and families. If you would like to meet with me on this please call our office at 604 466-7477
    Ken S

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