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    In this topic area, discussion is about the fight to secure Government funding for your A.B.A. treatment program. It is also the place to talk about your thoughts and ideas about how to establish new Government programs specifically designed for autism treatment.

    This is the place to hear input from parents who have fought for funding and won, as well as those who have fought for funding and would like to share their horror stories. There is a tendency to not share success stories once funding is secured. Please fight that tendency. By sharing our experience, we all become stronger.

     


    —-By FEAT BC (Freeman) on Saturday, January 3, 1998 – 03:16 pm:

    -Hi everyone!

    These are some things to think about in your dealings with government to help you to obtain support for your child’s Autism Treatment Program. These are my personal opinions and do not represent those of FEAT of BC or any other organization.

    Many of these observations are based on my personal experiences (and I believe it poetic justice to help every parent avoid being systematically abused by their social worker the way I was).

    Good luck to everyone! (Let’s all pull back the curtain on the Wizard of OZ).

    Sabrina

     


    How To Fight for Funding for Autism Treatment and Appropriate School Placement

    1. Establish a Paper Trail

    Always take notes, documenting major points of all conversations with government and school officials.

    This includes casual, in person conversations with social workers as well as ALL telephone conversations. All key points of discussion must be written down in your notes including the date and time of the discussion. This includes what was agreed upon, as well as what was not agreed upon.

    Then the notes should be used to write a letter recapping the substance and content of the conversation. This letter must then be mailed or faxed to the person with whom you had the conversation. In addition, a copy must be kept in your file (see section on the icci game).

    Why?

    It is important to formalize the interaction between you and Government officials. In addition, everyone is put on notice that they must closely adhere to their responsibilities, regulations and laws., Furthermore, they must then consider the paper trail you have created. This lets everyone know that the interaction can become public and that any abuses of power and authority can be formally appealed and/or publicized.

    In other words, they canit use discretion unfairly under the cloak of secrecy.

    2. Submit all Requests in Writing

    All your requests for your child must be submitted formally in writing with a copy included in your file and a copy, if necessary, sent to their immediate superiors.

    3. Set Deadlines for Action

    All formal requests for action must have a reasonable deadline set for that action. If no action or response is received by the deadline you have set (two weeks for example), then you will interpret the lack of response as a formal declination (a formal NO) of your requests.

    Why Set Deadlines?

    When bureaucrats do not want to do something, they will stall by ignoring you and your request. (As an aside, in the study of the bureaucracy, this is known as ithe power to do nothingi). They can string you along for years. When you have determined that the person you are interacting with is not inclined to help you or is not dealing in good faith, then you must take the initiative and formally label his/her behavior as obstructionist and de facto as a declination (a NO to your requests). This allows you to move to the next level of authority on your timetable to present your case. This takes the power to do nothing away from the bureaucrat with whom you are dealing. Simple stated, a bureaucrat who stalls and does nothing becomes irrelevant (use your invisible spray) and you move on to the next level of authority.

    How to icci?

    A cc. is a copy of your letter sent to someone other than the person you are writing. You put the cc. at the bottom left-hand corner of your letter followed by 2 spaces and the name of the person or people to whom you want to send a copy of the letter.

    Who to icci to?

    Sometimes it is best not to icci at all, especially in the early stages of the relationship (for example, your first letter to a social worker requesting assistance). This gives them the opportunity to do the right thing and does not present you as an overly combative person. When you start to run into problems, it is a good idea to send the icci to the 2 immediate superiors of the person you are having problems with. We do not recommend icciing all the way up the chain of command, since you want to give them a chance to solve the problem at the local level.

    Why send a icci copy?

    The reason for playing the icci game is that you want your interactions with the official to be known to his superior and possibly to other organizations so that 1) their action or inaction becomes a matter of record and 2) the individual knows he is being monitored. This helps minimize abuses of power and authority and helps encourage the official to meet their obligations and do the right thing.

    What is the sequence of letters?

    Find out the chain of command of the particular bureaucracy you are battling.

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    Minister
    Deputy Minister
    Children’s Ministry’s local region chain of command, all the way down to the District Supervisor
    and Social Worker
    Contacts can be found at the government directory: http://www.dir.gov.bc.ca/

    BOTTOM

    Start at the bottom and climb. At the Regional Operating Officer (ROO) level (once you have been declined) you have to decide whether to jump up to the top, threaten and then go to the media, or both. A word of wisdom: DO NOT BLUFF. If you are not willing to go all the way, they will ‘smell’ this. You must be prepared to take it right up to the Minister and beyond.

    Documentation from Experts:

    In your arsenal to fight for your child, it is wise to get his/her pediatrician and/or psychiatrist to write a letter on your childis behalf. In addition, any other experts who know your child and are sympathetic to what you are trying to do should become involved.

    When to hire a lawyer?

    If money is not an issue, you can hire a lawyer when you get to the area manager level. Make sure that you have a paper trail so the lawyer has something to work with. Also, have the lawyer give F.E.A.T. of B.C. a call, and we will send him/her information that will help.

    If money is an issue (as it is for most of us running autism treatment programs), you might want to hire a lawyer once you have been turned down by the Minister.

    How to hire a lawyer?

    The type of lawyer needed is a litigator, or trial lawyer. S/he does not need to be an expert in autism, or special needs; s/he needs to be experienced in suing governments, and enjoys being in court. Word of mouth is a good way to find a lawyer.

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  • #1300
    Susan Burns
    Member

    hi everyone…..I picked up 2 sheets of signatures from my sister today but the petition signers live all over the place……plus I will be faxed Vancouver ones to add….please advise me what to do with them.

    Susan Burns 604 467-8313 spbpt2002@yahoo.ca

    #1301
    Colleen
    Member

    I've got 89 signatures going to Russ Hiebert in Cloverdale (thanks mom and dad!) – do we need a cover letter?

    #1302
    Colleen
    Member

    I've got 89 signatures going to Russ Hiebert in Cloverdale (thanks mom and dad!) – do we need a cover letter?

    #1303
    Jenn Ralph
    Member

    Following is from the Globe and Mail yesterday, Dec 18th, FYI. – Jenn.

    Ontario court dissects recent autism ruling

    Supreme Court decision denying therapy in B.C. not relevant, parents argue

    By MARGARET PHILP
    Saturday, December 18, 2004 – Page A9

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    A massive trial pitting parents of autistic children against the Ontario government that had wrapped up three months ago was back before a judge yesterday, with lawyers reopening the case after a recent Supreme Court of Canada ruling suddenly altered the legal landscape.

    After 130 days of arguments, lawyers for 29 families with autistic children insisted yesterday that last month's Supreme Court ruling that British Columbia could refuse to finance the costly therapy for children with autism has no bearing on the case in Ontario, where an $80-million program already serves autistic children under 6.

    The families, whose sons and daughters are all older than 6, sued the Ontario government for failing to provide funds for the intensive one-on-one therapy called IBI once children reach school age. They allege that the policy amounts to age discrimination, and that the refusal of Ontario schools to allow therapists in the classroom violates the children's constitutional right to a public education by depriving them of the only treatment that research shows can help socially impaired autistic children function more normally.

    Mary Eberts, a lawyer for the families, told the Superior Court of Justice that major differences between the B.C. and Ontario cases undermine the impact of the Supreme Court decision, known as Auton.

    Unlike in Ontario, B.C. had no government program for autistic children.

    And four years ago when the B.C. lawsuit was filed, the court considered IBI to be an "emergent" technique, not rated as a "core" medical service provided by a doctor or hospital covered under federal and provincial health legislation. On this basis, it ruled that the province bore no obligation to start providing it.

    But the Ontario families say they are waging their battle as an education issue: Ms. Eberts casts it as a failure of a school system with a multimillion-dollar special-needs budget and a two-decade history of integrating disabled children into the classroom to provide the one therapy needed to educate autistic children.

    She said the Ontario lawsuit has more in common with a Supreme Court case called Eldridge, in which the court found that deaf and hearing-impaired patients in B.C. were discriminated against when denied sign-language interpreters in hospitals.

    "There is an exact parallel here," she told Madam Justice Frances Kiteley.

    "The disabled children here that are supposed to be able to access free public education in Ontario are not able to access it because it is not being delivered in a way that they can get it.

    "These children might be in the classroom, and the teacher might be standing there, but they're not getting what's envisioned by legislation."

    The Ontario government disagrees.

    Robert Charney, the lawyer for the Attorney-General's office, told the court that the Auton ruling undermines most of the families' discrimination claims.

    As in B.C., he said, IBI is not a core service covered by health laws. And furthermore, as an intensive behaviour therapy delivered one-on-one by therapists under the supervision of clinical psychologists, neither is it covered under the Education Act.

    In one of the few lively exchanges with the judge, Mr. Charney advised that IBI should still be regarded as an "emergent" therapy for preschoolers, and even more so for children over 6 where less research on the technique has been conducted.

    He said the same questions are left unanswered by research as were being asked four years ago.

    To this, Judge Kiteley asked how the Ontario government could invest tens of millions of dollars to fund a therapy it concedes is emergent.

    Referring to a recent report by Ontario's acting provincial auditor that exposed lax oversight and waste in the autism funding program, she also wondered if the Ontario government could have answered some of those burning questions if it had monitored and evaluated its own program.

    #1304
    Isaac
    Participant

    > By Lorhainne Ekelund
    >
    > Can anyone tell me where to go to find online petition,
    > friends of mine just tried to find it online…

    Here is the address for the online petition in support of health insurance coverage for medically necessary autism treatment:

    http://www.petitiononline.com/andap1/petition.html

    #1305
    Lorhainne Ekelund
    Participant

    Can anyone tell me where to go to find online petition, friends of mine just tried to find it online, and after looking neither of us can find it, we went to http://www.petitiononline.com and did a search under autism, but nothing relevant came up.
    thanks,
    Lorhainne

    lekelund@shaw.ca

    #1306
    Sabrina Freeman
    Participant

    Hi All,

    I was sent the following poem by a caring Canadian (with no connection to autism). I thought I'd share it with you.

    Sabrina

    Children in Crisis

    There are children out there
    Who need our support
    Their issue has been
    In the highest court
    Our people must come together
    We must be realistic
    Reach out to Help children
    Who are autistic
    But the highest court
    Just blew it all out
    Leaving people with these children
    Living in doubt
    They basically say
    That there really is no need
    While the children suffer
    And cannot be freed
    There is treatment for these children
    Which a family cannot afford
    But still in the highest court
    This fact is ignored
    If we were to treat these children now
    And not keep up all this strife
    It would give these children
    A chance at a quality life
    But instead the system
    Wants to make it a fight
    So a safe future
    Seems out of sight
    These children are the minority
    But they deserve our care
    To give them any less
    Is not really being fair
    If we all stood up
    Creating such a petition
    The court could be forced
    To give us recognition

    By: Norm Warhurst

    #1307
    Susan Burns
    Member

    to the previous poster…..my sister [Vancouver teacher] got 21 signatures for me at her school…..i will be in for my nieces's birthday party on Sunday and can bring them to you
    spbpt2002@yahoo.ca 604 807 8799

    #1308
    Laura McGill
    Member

    Hey everyone. i justwanted to say that the petitioning efforts in vancouver aren't going very well. There hasn't been alot of support and i have been trying pretty hard. If there is anyone else that is in Vancouver, please please please let me know because i could use the support. And if you are in vancouver and hae been getting signatures please let me know so that i can start tracking the signatures. Tahnks everyone. Im doingmy best but i need some help. Thank you again.

    if you have anything on the petition e-mail:
    lauramcgill_eastvancouver@hotmail.com

    #1309
    Andrew Kavchak
    Participant

    Hi Folks,
    Just to let you know, there are others in the disability community who support us in our petition campaign for justice for our kids. I sent an email to the Disabled Women's Network of Ontario (DAWN) telling them about our campaign, and please see their email of response below! Let's try to find more allies across the country!

    Cheers!
    Andrew (Ottawa)

    My message to DAWN:

    "Hello,

    In the aftermath of the devastating Supreme Court of Canada decision in
    the "Auton" case on November 19, 2004, the focus has shifted to the
    political area to help get children with autism the medical care they
    require. To this end a national autism petition campaign has been started
    and we would appreciate your support.

    Please visit http://www.canadaautism.com and tell your colleagues within the
    autism community about the petition campaign. The website allows you to
    download the petition in either official language. Just get a minimum of
    25 signatures and send it to your MP! It's that easy!

    Thank you for your attention to this matter."

    DAWN's Response:

    "Hi Andrew,

    I distributed your email to over 3,700 involved in the disability movement
    across the country and have uploaded it to the DAWN Ontario site's what's
    new page and our features page.

    http://dawn.thot.net/new.html

    http://dawn.thot.net/features.html

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